WP 72 | In Search of You with Kasey Compton

Written By James Marland

Today, we are pleased to interview Kasey Compton, a dynamic speaker, therapist, self-love advocate, and accomplished entrepreneur. In this enlightening conversation, Kasey shares insights about her new book, "In Search of You," and her journey toward genuine and enduring fulfillment.

Discovering Self-Love Through "In Search of You”

Kasey's book is a heartfelt guide crafted for women who may find themselves constantly seeking fulfillment while juggling various roles as over-functioning or high-functioning individuals. The core message centers around the journey to finding self-love, unlocking joy, and embracing moments of success with gratitude and presence.

Unveiling Vulnerability and Transformation

In a candid discussion, Kasey opens up about her own experiences and transformational journey. She reflects on pivotal moments, such as the book launch of "Fix This Next for Healthcare Providers," coinciding with personal struggles like a divorce, which catalyzed introspection and change.

The Impact of Faith and Self-Compassion

Kasey shares how her faith journey and experiences within the church community influenced her perception of love and self-worth. Through self-compassion and introspection, she navigated through past traumas, learned to forgive, and embraced a deeper understanding of herself and others.

Embracing Creativity and Joy

One of the key elements highlighted in Kasey's book is the power of journaling and engaging in creative activities to tap into joy and self-discovery. She emphasizes the importance of exploring hobbies and creative outlets as pathways to reconnecting with one's true passions and inner child.

Personal Growth and Empowerment

As Kasey embarks on her own journey of rediscovering art and creativity, she encourages readers to embrace self-love, understanding, and grace towards themselves and others. Through vulnerability and reflection, she illustrates the transformative power of self-awareness and personal growth.

Conclusion

Kasey Compton's story and the message conveyed in her book "In Search of You" serve as a beacon of hope for those seeking genuine fulfillment and joy. Through her experiences and insights, she inspires readers to embark on their own transformative journeys towards self-love and empowerment.

In conclusion, Kasey stands as a shining example of resilience, transformation, and the profound impact of self-love on our journey toward lasting fulfillment. "In Search of You" is not just a book but a guide towards unlocking the reservoir of joy within ourselves. Embrace the process, trust the journey, and remember that self-love is the key to unlocking a life filled with genuine happiness and fulfillment.

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    [00:00:19] Whitney Owens: Hey, hey, welcome back to the last practice podcast. I'm thrilled. Actually. I want to say Casey, you are. The first person to come twice on the podcast. So I am excited to interview you again. Um, but if you do not know Casey Compton, let me tell you a little bit about her. She is a dynamic speaker, therapist, self love advocate and accomplished entrepreneur who has led four thriving businesses, propelling her mental health practice into the mill multi million dollar territory.

    [00:00:51] Whitney Owens: She's the author of Fix This Next for healthcare providers and her newest release in search of you coming out. March 12th, which is today, she wants to guide women on a transformative journey towards genuine enduring fulfillment and unlocking a reservoir of joy beyond imagination through her book.

    [00:01:10] Whitney Owens: Casey, so glad you're here.

    [00:01:12] Kasey Compton: Thank you. I feel honored to be. Uh, what do you call that? Like, uh, a double double timer?

    [00:01:18] Whitney Owens: I don't know. Double timer. Yeah. 1st 1 special. All right, good. Well, I'm excited to talk about the book. I want to hear all about it. I know this is more of a personal work for you a little different than I think red fix this next for health care providers.

    [00:01:33] Whitney Owens: It's sits behind me as I do all my therapy because I need to grab it often in my life. Um, but let's talk about your book. Yeah. What do you want to know?

    [00:01:43] Kasey Compton: So what is it about? Um, the, the book is about, well, let me tell you who the book is for first. The, the book was written for women who are typically over functioning, over functioners, or maybe if they don't even consider themselves over functioning, they consider themselves high functioning, um, women who are very motivated, who are Doers who like to get out and start new things, business owners, um, very involved parents, just women who, who really strive to do well and everything that they do, um, but at the core are lacking joy.

    [00:02:31] Kasey Compton: And feeling like they're always searching for something, and that was actually the working title of the book was, was all along was searching for something. And then we had to change it at the end. Um, but, you know, like, always looking for that next shiny object to pursue and, and hoping that that once, once that, um, happens that there is a, a fulfillment inside of us and then realizing that.

    [00:03:01] Kasey Compton: Usually that's not the case. Um, so that that's who the book's for and what the book's about is, is really that same thing. It's, it's about the journey to finding self love so that you can experience joy in those moments of success and different, um, parts and, and events and. People that come into your life, you can really slow down and appreciate that and feel differently about it as it's happening.

    [00:03:35] Whitney Owens: Yeah, I love how we just like, did an intro and went straight in, I'm like, feeling it feeling it here. I'm like, oh, gosh, she's speaking to me. Okay. So this is, this is part of your story, right? Yeah. You want to share a little bit about

    [00:03:50] Kasey Compton: that? Yeah, sure. Um, the crazy thing was, okay, is as all of this was unfolding in my life, like, as I was creating new businesses, scaling businesses, all of these things, I didn't realize that.

    [00:04:11] Kasey Compton: I was searching for fulfillment. I didn't realize that I was searching for something. I thought I was doing all of those things because I just wanted to. Um, I didn't let myself go deeper into the why of it. Like, why am I really doing this? Am I trying to prove something to someone? Is it? And so. I mean, it, it was just, uh, I was, I was oblivious to it when it, when it was happening.

    [00:04:41] Kasey Compton: And after, um, a series of events that kind of was a culmination of, of all of these things, um, it was. Ironically, the book launch of Fix This Next for Healthcare Providers, it was, that was kind of like the catalyst. That was right around that same time. The book launch happened, um, I was in the middle of a divorce that nobody knew about at that point.

    [00:05:09] Kasey Compton: And so here I am at this book launch with my house full of people thinking like, I should feel something right now. Like, I should feel something more than I do, and I don't. Um. So, that really started it all in motion and, um, that's how the book was written. Most of it was actually written in real time. It was written as journaling, um, after I started therapy.

    [00:05:43] Kasey Compton: And started documenting, like, therapy sessions and conversations with other people. And, um, so it was, it was really interesting. And I'm teaching the reader how to look back at their own life and identify certain things, um, but I'm doing it through me. And so I'm kind of my own guinea pig there. I'm, I'm showing them how it's unfolding for me.

    [00:06:11] Kasey Compton: And then I'm actually asking them to try to do the same. I don't know if that makes any sense, but.

    [00:06:20] Whitney Owens: Oh, it makes 100 percent sense. I love it. I can't wait to read it. And You know, I love how you are the epitome of success for therapists. I mean, people look at you and they're like, Casey, the mil multimillion dollar, all these different offices, employees, yada, yada, yada.

    [00:06:39] Whitney Owens: And like, you're sitting here going, yeah, but that wasn't what fulfilled me. Right. Am I getting that right? Yeah. You know. And so I think that you have such an important word to give to therapists and to business owners in general and to women in general. I mean, about that. And it's just so important.

    [00:06:57] Kasey Compton: Yeah.

    [00:06:58] Kasey Compton: Yeah. I found myself just always looking at, okay, what's next? Um, you know, I do do something I'd set out to do and then I, I didn't even like sit in it and even sit and enjoy it. And, um, I was always just focused on what's next. And. It was hard and like, one of the things that really came up through the whole book writing process was that there were reasons that I wasn't sitting in it, you know, there were reasons that I kept looking forward because what was happening in my present life.

    [00:07:36] Kasey Compton: Was not something that I really wanted. It didn't, it didn't feel like it should, um, and so, of course, I'm going to always look to what's coming because sitting in that uncomfortable space meant that I had to do something about it. And I had to have hard conversations and make hard decisions and change people's lives and change my life.

    [00:08:03] Kasey Compton: And that, and that was just something in my head. I think subconsciously, I was like, I don't have time for all of that. Like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna continue on autopilot and move forward so that I don't have to face the reality of what's really going on.

    [00:08:20] Whitney Owens: Boy, therapy will make us do that.

    [00:08:22] Kasey Compton: It does.

    [00:08:23] Kasey Compton: It was rough. It was rough.

    [00:08:26] Whitney Owens: Uh, so how did you get to the point of making changes?

    [00:08:32] Kasey Compton: Um, well, I didn't really, it, it honestly, um, in a lot of ways, my ex husband kind of made those changes for me because the, the situations that were going on in our personal life, um, he didn't even, he, he had his own issues and beefs with me and rather than just like waiting until we could, we could Talk and actually have a conversation and be adults and, like, you know, communicate, um, there was just a lot of.

    [00:09:11] Kasey Compton: Accusations, a lot of behaviors, a lot of things that happened just, I think they were just like trigger reflexes of his, um, based on his own insecurities and all of that, that made that decision for me, you know, I just said, I don't, I don't like this. Um, I don't like this. And so the, when, when we, when we were going through our divorce, um, Um, I had no choice, but to implement change and I had no choice, but to, uh, really do a lot of internal work with throughout therapy.

    [00:09:49] Kasey Compton: So during that whole process, about a 2 year process, I, I saw 3 therapists, um, sometimes at the same time, you know, for, for different things that we would, we would work on, um, but it brought so much awareness to My mind that it was like, staring me so just dead in the face, like generational trauma, you know, attachment, dysfunction within families, communication styles, and I talk about this in the book.

    [00:10:28] Kasey Compton: These are the little things. Um, that came up for me that I noticed and those little things they, they made the big things like, you know, um, a marriage, a divorce, a birth, you know, it made all those big things and the timing of the big things in my life. Makes so much sense and when I started to draw it out, I saw so many patterns of my own behavior and anytime, you know, and like, looking back through my life when anything traumatic happened to me, rather than work through and process the trauma, I would respond in a, in almost the same way every single time self sabotage and there was just this pattern of behavior and.

    [00:11:16] Kasey Compton: It was kind of cool. I mean, it was sad, you know, but it was kind of cool to see. Oh, like, this is why I did this after my grandpa died. And this is why I chose this person to be in a relationship with. I was looking for that surrogate. I was looking for that replacement and all these ways. So, anyway, it was just.

    [00:11:37] Kasey Compton: The change happened because I, I had to, I had to do it for myself and I had to do it for my kids and I had to do it for my future. Um, it was not a pretty process and I say that in the book very bluntly. Um, but it was necessary.

    [00:11:56] Whitney Owens: Yeah, I think a lot of people can probably resonate with some of the things you're sharing.

    [00:11:59] Whitney Owens: Um, there's probably people who are on all spectrums of what you just said and like, running away currently in something. Some people on the other side. Good for them. So, okay, so actually kind of did this process. How are you feeling now, like on the other side, or do you feel like you've gotten to the other side or what is that like

    [00:12:20] Kasey Compton: for you?

    [00:12:22] Kasey Compton: Yeah, I feel like I'm, I'm beyond the halfway mark, you know, um, one of the people that I worked very closely with through the development of the book, um, AJ Harper, that was one of her biggest concerns to me, the whole, every time she would talk to me, she'd be like, Casey, I don't know if you're going to meet this.

    [00:12:42] Kasey Compton: publishing deadline because I don't know that you're going to have enough in the rear view to close this book out. And so it's one of the reasons why it took me so long to write it because I wanted to get, I wanted to get to the other side so that when I ended the book I had a better A message, you know, I had a better perspective.

    [00:13:06] Kasey Compton: I had I had all that. So there was a period of time that I had to actually wait before finishing the book. Um, so I don't know that I would say that. I don't know that I'll ever be on the other side. I think it's always just going to be a work in progress. Um, but, um, definitely beyond the halfway mark.

    [00:13:31] Whitney Owens: Yeah, so what is the secret for these women that are feeling kind of captured, I guess, are in jail and prison almost from our lives that we live that we're unhappy in?

    [00:13:42] Kasey Compton: Well, one, I think it's, it's awareness, um, you have to do whatever it takes to, to get more in touch with yourself, your inner child. Um, speak a lot about that in the book, and I do have, um, in the book several five, um, different steps that we, we kind of go through.

    [00:14:03] Kasey Compton: Um, but really the secret is self love, and, and I tell this story, um, in the book about how I sought out a therapist, and I am a therapist, but, and I had never been to therapy, but once. Uh, 1 time 1 session, so when I sought out this therapist, she specialized in professional women going through a divorce, like, very specific.

    [00:14:32] Kasey Compton: Yeah, and she was, she had a very unique, like, pricing structure for her therapy. And like, it was just all very unique to me, but. We get into our 1st, true session, and she asks me, like, she's doing some rating scales and I guess, establishing a baseline and she asked me on a scale from 1 to 10. how much do you love yourself?

    [00:14:58] Kasey Compton: And, um, that question. I literally spent the whole 50 minutes staring at her, um, and out the window and fidgeting. I really couldn't answer it. I, I didn't, I found myself like talking out loud asking, well, what does that mean? Um, self love, like, do I love myself? And so I kind of talk about, is that similar to how I love my kids?

    [00:15:34] Kasey Compton: Do I love myself in the same way that I love my children? Absolutely not. Like, I mean, I'm so much more critical and, uh, you know, all of the negatives on myself than I do my children. So does that mean I don't love myself? Does that mean like, what does that mean? Anyway, it was just this whole, the whole session was about what, how much do you love yourself?

    [00:15:57] Kasey Compton: And at that point I realized like, oh. I've got some work to do and that's kind of what sparked the whole thing is realizing that I didn't have a lot of self love and I didn't even know what it was and how do you know what it is and do we not teach our children about self love like no I was never taught that I was never and I and then I realized like I was shown love for my family in different ways.

    [00:16:25] Kasey Compton: My mother never told me she loved me, like, I've had never heard those words come out of her mouth. Same with my dad. Um, so, like, it wasn't, it was just really jarring for me.

    [00:16:41] Whitney Owens: Yeah, as you were saying that, I was thinking, I was thinking, we can't love ourselves when no one's taught us what love is.

    [00:16:47] Kasey Compton: Right. And I never felt.

    [00:16:50] Kasey Compton: Unconditional love, you know, I'm sure about parents, like unconditionally, no matter what I do there, they're going to love me, but that was really never communicated. And they're in, in just like, in family dynamics, going back and exploring the dynamics of my, my family and how they're, they were such grudge holders and how, if you did something to upset them.

    [00:17:16] Kasey Compton: It wasn't like, you know, I'm really disappointed. I still love you, but I'm, I'm really disappointed in what you did or your choice. It was like, I'm not going to talk to you for like, a couple years. It was like that. And so for me, I never, everything felt so conditional on good behavior. On acceptable behavior, and I think that that programmed me in ways, like, to set me up in business, um, with the attitude that I had and in relationships, I realized, oh, that's why that's why I've been married twice.

    [00:17:52] Kasey Compton: Um, a lot of of things came up. There, so, yeah, it's self love, it's self love.

    [00:18:01] Whitney Owens: Mm hmm. So, as you know, this podcast is for faith based practice owners. So I was curious if you had anything to say kind of about your faith journey through this process.

    [00:18:13] Kasey Compton: Yeah, absolutely. Um, there, there are stories in the book about, about that.

    [00:18:18] Kasey Compton: I mean, I was raised in, um, uh, a Southern Baptist church. Um, I, I was in church more than I was at home. It was my grandparents were, my grandpa was a deacon and my granny was the president of the sewing circle, you know, um, all these things. And so I grew up with that, that. Like idea of your church family.

    [00:18:47] Kasey Compton: Um, but I think along the way, my faith got. I never lost my faith in God, but I lost my faith in people of God for a long time because of how personal situations that I had and how I was treated in the church and same way, you know, I, my ex husband, um, and I, we, we weren't married yet. I became pregnant with my daughter.

    [00:19:18] Kasey Compton: Um, we were asked to leave. Like, that's not love, like, you know, like they're, they're so I, I had a whole, um, struggle with, with all of that and, and going back through and identifying things in my timeline, um, helped me come to understand that a little bit more and to accept. And forgive and, um, release a lot of the shame because I felt so much shame when I was asked to leave my church.

    [00:19:52] Kasey Compton: And at that point, that was like the one safe place that I had, like, that I felt. Um, so that was really hard, but through the whole thing, like it, it, it didn't ever cause me to lose faith. In God, but it, it definitely caused me to lose faith in people

    [00:20:16] Whitney Owens: and I just think it's so easy to confuse the two, especially when we're not as mature.

    [00:20:21] Whitney Owens: And then we experienced this from these people and you're like, well, these are God's people. So if that's how they feel towards me, that's how God feels towards me, you know, and it's just so hard to pull those things apart and realize it's not like that. Yeah. So how did that change for you with people?

    [00:20:37] Whitney Owens: Sounds like you've kind of grown to trust people in a different kind of way now than before.

    [00:20:43] Kasey Compton: I mean, I'm not going to lie. Like I still, I have to be really careful when it comes to like involving faith in a lot of things that I do, because I do have. A little, I'm a little jaded and I can be, you know, I have to have to check myself sometimes about people's intentions and you know, what, why are they really asking?

    [00:21:09] Kasey Compton: Me here, or is, you know, are they wanting something? Is it, um, but I think I've just learned to, I just take people for what it is. You know, like it should, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and it, sometimes people just make really stupid decisions. I mean, people just make stupid decisions.

    [00:21:33] Kasey Compton: They make bad decisions just like I have. They do things they regret. They say things they regret it. You know, I just try not to connect. Um, I just try not to connect stuff like that. I just, it just is what it is and try to just to let go of a lot of that baggage when it comes to. Being let down.

    [00:21:57] Whitney Owens: Mm hmm.

    [00:21:58] Whitney Owens: Yeah. And when we've gone through our own suffering, I mean, you've had years of suffering as you've dealt with your stuff and looked at it. It's like we developed this new ability to love people. Because they are suffering, right there, do hopefully they're doing their work or they're not doing their work.

    [00:22:15] Whitney Owens: And they're where we were 5 years ago, you know, unhappy marriage and, you know, not acknowledging what their needs are having all this trauma. They're acting out from their childhood. You know, it just we develop this new compassion for them that we never had before.

    [00:22:30] Kasey Compton: Yeah, yeah, and that really happened with me.

    [00:22:34] Kasey Compton: I mean, as I was going through, it's like, it's kind of like I was in a or something, you know, um, like, I felt like going back through my timeline and looking at all of the big events and the little things, um, there were so many times where I thought I need to make amends with this situation with this person.

    [00:22:53] Kasey Compton: I felt, I felt bad, you know. And I have to be really careful because I can go down. I can go down an unhealthy path with those things pretty easily. You know, not that I, I've never thought, oh, I want to get back together with my ex husband, but I have been able to say, oh, I can see how I contributed to this dysfunction to this specific, you know, my communicate my ability to communicate.

    [00:23:21] Kasey Compton: My tolerance window to communicate was like, non existent and so there was a lot of like, oh, guilt because what if, like, what if I could have done this sooner? Like, what if I would have understood myself earlier? Would that have, would that have fixed that situation? Would that have caused, you know, it's just, it's a lot of that, but then I can.

    [00:23:48] Kasey Compton: I know I have to snap out of that and be like, look, you know, that we're, we're not going to live back there. That's why we're putting it on paper. We're going to live now. Um, but it was, it's, it was really helpful to just, like you said, like, give people grace. Like, I wish someone would have given me.

    [00:24:10] Whitney Owens: Yeah, I can resonate with a lot of what you just, you just said, and like living in that space of guilt, but wanting change, but also self compassion that, Hey, at least you did figure it out. At least you're not living the same way now that you did three years ago. You are in a different place. So you did figure it out and, uh, celebrating that at the same time.

    [00:24:28] Whitney Owens: It's a hard balance there.

    [00:24:30] Kasey Compton: Yeah, it definitely is.

    [00:24:33] Whitney Owens: Is there anything else about the book that you wanted to make sure to mention today that we haven't hit on? Um,

    [00:24:41] Kasey Compton: I just think that one of the things that I do encourage people to do in the book, um, is journaling and I do give a lot of prompts, um, based on the topics and the, the things that I think have been the most helpful for me.

    [00:24:59] Kasey Compton: Um, And there's just something about getting things out of your head and onto paper and really tapping into whatever it is that brings you joy, whether it's gardening, plants, uh, art, you know, um, that's a whole nother conversation, but I think we, we have to start somewhere. And so I would just really encourage people to be open to that.

    [00:25:25] Kasey Compton: And, um, if you read the book, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, but. Um, yeah, even if you don't read the book, you know, I think getting, getting closer to that creative side of ourselves brings us closer to joy.

    [00:25:42] Whitney Owens: What do you do for that?

    [00:25:44] Kasey Compton: I opened a pottery studio.

    [00:25:46] Whitney Owens: That's right. I did see that online.

    [00:25:48] Whitney Owens: Uh huh. And how's that going?

    [00:25:50] Kasey Compton: Well, uh, the grand opening is tomorrow. Yeah. So it, but it's going not, I mean, it's going really well. It's, it, it definite, I realized, listen, this was one thing I'll say. So going back and excavating all these memories and, and I realized I had a lot of blocks and just all these things.

    [00:26:10] Kasey Compton: Uh, there was, um, As I was listing out big and little things on my timeline, one thing that lined up for me that was nuts was that during a big event, which was the death of one of my family members, um, there was so much connected to that, that showed up in little ways that I, it was almost just like brought goosebumps to my, to my body, but, that I used to be, um, an artist, like, I almost went to college for our, like, I'd like to draw.

    [00:26:49] Kasey Compton: I like to paint. I can build things. Um, like, you name it anything. Arts wise. I can draw portraits. I can do murals. Like, I just do used to do all this. I redo furniture, all of it. Um, when that death occurred. I never picked up a paintbrush again, ever did not even like connect that did not realize that that was connected until I went through this process of discovering self joy or self love and, and I, yeah, so now I make that something that I'm very intentional about, um, I've really kind of gotten back into all the things that in childhood.

    [00:27:39] Kasey Compton: I loved,

    [00:27:42] Whitney Owens: it's so good that actually going into 2023, my husband and I went to dinner and he was like, Whitney, you need more hobbies. I was like, I know, but I don't even know, like, how to make this happen or what to do, you know, and. Let's just say we made it through another year of me not finding hobbies, um, but I am going to go try out for a women's choir tonight.

    [00:28:05] Kasey Compton: Really? What's what? How did, how does that?

    [00:28:09] Whitney Owens: So I love singing like, Ooh, I love it. And, uh, the church choir was just too much and now my husband's at a new church and it's baby church. And so I can't really sing there either. Um, so someone told me about this local women's choir. It's actually called spectra.

    [00:28:24] Whitney Owens: It's about meeting women among the spectrum, like including everyone. So it's about women's empowerment, actually. And they have a rehearsal tonight, open rehearsal. And so if you're good enough, you get an audition. So I'm going to go. So it's, I love that this came up now. Cause I'm nervous about going by myself to this new thing, you know, but that's

    [00:28:40] Kasey Compton: awesome.

    [00:28:44] Kasey Compton: I love

    [00:28:44] Whitney Owens: it. Yeah. And then we'll have to go

    [00:28:46] Kasey Compton: karaoke. Oh, I can't sing. I can't sing at all. Not a lick. I can, like, I'm a, I can, I can stay with the beat, but not through my mouth. Like I have to tap on something.

    [00:29:00] Whitney Owens: Yeah. I'll go with you. I'll

    [00:29:03] Kasey Compton: go with you. That's right.

    [00:29:07] Whitney Owens: Well, this has been really refreshing. I'm thrilled about your book. You have so much to offer and I look forward to doing some journaling and reading. Um, so tell us about how to get a hold of it because it went out today.

    [00:29:21] Kasey Compton: Yeah, uh, grab it on Amazon. That's the easiest way. So, um, they are, they should be, uh, sending out pre orders and I really just want to inundate Amazon with orders and, um, try to hit our goals and, um.

    [00:29:38] Kasey Compton: Make Mike McAlewicz proud. And, um, he was, he's, he's acting agent, you know, in this whole process. So, yeah. Um, but yeah, grab it on Amazon. Great. Well,

    [00:29:54] Whitney Owens: looking forward to it. Thank you so much for just sharing your story, you know, and changing lives through it.​

    [00:30:20] Whitney Owens: Special thanks to Marty Altman for the music in this podcast. The Wise Practice Podcast is part of the Sitecraft Podcast Network, a collaboration of independent podcasters focused on helping people live more meaningful and productive lives. To learn more about the other amazing podcasts in the network, head on over to sitecraftnetwork.

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