WP 75 | Authentic Leadership in Private Practice with Lisa Duez

Written By James Marland

How to Be a Real Leader: Tips from Lisa Duez for Therapists and Group Practice Owners

Hey there! Leading a team or running a group practice can be super tough, but it's also really rewarding. Imagine being the kind of leader everyone looks up to, not because you're perfect, but because you're real. That's what authentic leadership is all about. Lisa Duez knows a ton about this. She's been leading for over 20 years and has some awesome advice to share. Let's dive into her world and discover how to be the best leaders we can be, in a way that's totally us.

Be Yourself

First things first, Lisa tells us it's super important to be yourself. When she started leading her own team, she learned that being real was way better than trying to act like someone she's not. When you're true to yourself, your team will feel more comfortable and happy, and that's a big win for everyone.

It's Okay to Share

Lisa and Whitney Owens, the host of the Wise Practice Podcast, talked about how tricky it can be to decide what to share with your team. You don't want to overload them with too much info, but you also don't want to seem like you're hiding stuff. Lisa says it's all about finding that sweet spot where you're open and honest, but still keep things professional.

Lead from the Middle

One of the coolest things Lisa talks about is "leading from the middle." This means you're part of the team, not just the boss. You listen, share, and grow with your team. It's not about giving orders from a high tower; it's about working together and learning from each other.

Lisa's Book and Conference

Guess what? Lisa is writing a book about all this leadership stuff, using everything she's learned to help others be great leaders too. And there's more! She's organizing the Clinician Connection Conference in Virginia Beach. It's a place where therapists can learn new things, get better at what they do, and yes, earn some CE credits along the way.

Why This Matters

Being a leader is a big deal. It can be hard, but it's also an amazing opportunity to make a difference. Lisa Duez shows us that being real, open, and part of the team can make a huge impact. Whether you've been leading for years or you're just starting out, there's always something new to learn about being a great leader.

Let's Be Real Leaders

Authentic leadership is more than just a fancy term. It's about being genuine, caring, and working together for something awesome. Lisa Duez's journey and advice remind us that the best way to lead is by being ourselves and treating our team like the valuable players they are. So, let's take a page out of Lisa's book (literally and figuratively) and be the authentic leaders our teams need. It might be challenging, but it's definitely worth it. Let's do this!

Consulting Information Request

Guest Resources

  • Clinician Connection: A Conference to inspire, equip, and connect mental health professionals to collectively shape a brighter world. Hilton Garden Inn in Virginia Beach, April 18-19 2024. Use the code wisepractice. 

  • Lisaduez4 - on Instagram

  • Lisa Duez - on Facebook and LinkedIn 

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    [00:03:16] Whitney Owens: Welcome back to the wise practice podcast on today's episode, we're going to be talking about authentic leadership within your private practice or in other areas of your life. Um, and I have the expert when it comes to leadership here, at least to do Wes, let me tell you a little about her and then we're going to get to know her better today.

    [00:03:36] Whitney Owens: She is a group practice owner, conference, creator, coach, and trauma therapist over 2 decades of experience in leadership. She's dedicated to implementing trauma informed care principles and has played key roles in developing such programs in Virginia as the founder of turning point counseling and consulting.

    [00:03:53] Whitney Owens: She oversees a team of 20 therapists committed to providing trauma informed care and Hampton roads. Uh, Lisa offers clinical supervision. Consultation and training in various mental health topics, including trauma and self agency. Additionally, she co hosts retreats focused on professional development and empowerment.

    [00:04:12] Whitney Owens: Thanks for coming on the show today.

    [00:04:14] Lisa Duez: Oh gosh. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

    [00:04:17] Whitney Owens: Yeah. It's one of my absolute favorite things about podcasting is all the cool people I get to meet. And so we've kind of known each other virtually, and now we're getting to meet and hopefully we'll meet in person at some point this year.

    [00:04:27] Whitney Owens: I think things going on. So yeah. Wonderful. Why don't you share a little bit about yourself, your group practice that you have there, and then we can kind of talk about

    [00:04:36] Lisa Duez: leadership. Yeah. Thank you. So I, um, I started, you know, I started solo practice in 20, in 2017. Um, after working, um, in leadership for a lot of different people for a long time.

    [00:04:51] Lisa Duez: Um, I did solo practice for a little bit and then I'm, you know, I think there's a, a, a percentage of therapists that are just. Like to do, um, administrative, like to do the leadership part. So that's me. And so I opened a group practice in 2019. Um, said to myself, I'm just going to open up a small group practice.

    [00:05:13] Lisa Duez: No problem. Just tiny, you know, couple of therapists and me. I think God had other plans. Um, you know, he always laughs at that, but so we're, we're now at 26 or so. We have two offices. Um, it's a big practice. Um, we're insurance based. Um, we have all the things we have a nurse practitioner. And so when I was, you know, when I think back to those, that decision back in 20, you know, 2018 or so of like.

    [00:05:42] Lisa Duez: I'm going to launch this thing. I was like, the one thing that kept coming back in my head was how am I going to be different? Um, because I know everybody has stories about leadership. I know everybody has stories about like bad leadership and things that have happened and how can we do it different?

    [00:06:00] Lisa Duez: And so I didn't know what it was called back then. I couldn't figure out what it was called, but what it ended up being was. Me becoming the most authentic person that I can be as a leader and embracing that and embracing the faith of it and not the fear of it. Um, and then just, you know, in that case, creating a culture that benefited therapist, opening the practice that I needed.

    [00:06:28] Lisa Duez: Um, and it turns out other people needed to, and here we are, you know, and we grow and learn every day, of course, but authenticity has been such a game changer. Yeah.

    [00:06:41] Whitney Owens: Yeah. So let's talk about that word. What does it mean? Be authentic.

    [00:06:46] Lisa Duez: Yeah. You know, that word goes, gets, um, thrown around a lot, I think. Um, and I was just like, well, what does it mean?

    [00:06:53] Lisa Duez: You know, I'm an extroverted person. I like to joke. Is that what it means? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, in part. Yes, of course, that's what it means. But also there's some other things to it. There's, you know, Owning your own story, um, sometimes owning your faults, um, being transparent with those things with people.

    [00:07:15] Lisa Duez: And I think also just, just being who you are. And I think as leaders, we're sometimes said, here you go, here's the policies. Here's the procedures. This is how it needs to be. And I know we have to have policies and procedures. I get all of that, but, but also. How can I bring me into those policies? How can I kind of understand epithetically who I can be as a therapist and then who I can be also as a somebody who is a practitioner and a leader at the same time?

    [00:07:47] Lisa Duez: Yep. Yep. I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about things.

    [00:07:51] Whitney Owens: Um, yeah, I was thinking about, uh, a Bible passage I read recently put off falsehood Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I think we can, and we do it without even realizing it, putting out this facade of who we are, especially obviously with social media, but even as a leader, like I, I feel like I have to have it all together for my team.

    [00:08:13] Whitney Owens: Right. If I don't look like I have it all together, how are they going to trust me to lead the practice? So I'm curious, what would you say about that? Oh, I still have

    [00:08:21] Lisa Duez: those thoughts. Um, I have to have it all together. How am I showing people that I do have it all together? Um, even like, you know, we're going through a little crisis with the healthcare stuff, you know, I have to be, you know, the steady.

    [00:08:34] Lisa Duez: Um, but also I think they understand that this is a little scary. Um, so yes, I think you can lean into that, but then understand, rely on the fact that, you know, you are, you know, the whole thing about you actually are enough, you know, you don't have to fit into a box. Mm

    [00:08:52] Whitney Owens: hmm. That's beautiful. Yeah. I, I really struggle with that dynamic of leading them and being in charge and confident, but also knowing that like, it's okay to show my weakness around them.

    [00:09:06] Whitney Owens: And in fact, there've been times when I show my weakness that it brings us closer together as a team and it actually makes me a better leader. Yeah. If that makes sense.

    [00:09:15] Lisa Duez: Yeah, I have. I've had, I have done that too. Um, my mouth was going that weird way. I've done that too. Um, and I think they, you know, the cool thing about authenticity is it's humanness because you're not that robot.

    [00:09:33] Lisa Duez: Because I was, you know, when I was the leader in the past, it was, here's your policies. Here's what you have to do. Here's the model of the leader that you're supposed to follow. And then that person is robotic. And not themselves and we're in the mental health business and we're in the business of helping people find themselves and so we have to find ourselves too in the process.

    [00:09:56] Whitney Owens: Yeah. So we're really setting by being authentic ourselves. We're setting the example for our team of what it means to be authentic is kind of what I hear you saying.

    [00:10:06] Lisa Duez: I think so. And I mean, it's hard to be authentic. You know, people sometimes can't do it. You know, it's, it's hard. I struggled with it a little bit.

    [00:10:12] Lisa Duez: Yeah. Um, I struggled with it a lot, actually, you know, there's a lot of fear. Um, sometimes boxes are safe, right?

    [00:10:21] Whitney Owens: 100%. Yeah.

    [00:10:23] Lisa Duez: You know, but I think the more we step out of it a little bit, whatever that looks like, I think your team will meet you there because at the end of the day, we're all therapists, right?

    [00:10:35] Lisa Duez: And we've all had the same training and we all are here for the same purpose. You know, to help people. Yeah,

    [00:10:43] Whitney Owens: definitely. There's a moment in my practice that always kind of go back to where I knew I was trying to play the part of the boss, you know, especially early in my practice days. And then something happened with 1 of the employees that broke me, you know, and just made me really question myself as a leader.

    [00:11:00] Whitney Owens: And. I was finally at a place of like, I can't do this anymore. I can't keep putting up this front with my team. Like, this is ridiculous. Like, and so I finally like kind of broke down and cried a little bit, you know, and like was authentic with them and it was game changer, like the whole idea of what the practice was changed after that, you know, we came together in this special way and it's not that I needed them.

    [00:11:23] Whitney Owens: You know, I didn't need them to carry me necessarily, but I did need us to all be more real with one another. And I wanted to lead that example. It was

    [00:11:32] Lisa Duez: hard. Yeah. It is hard. It's, um, it's hard to put yourself out there to people that you think that they think that you're supposed to know it all, but I think they think that you're just, you just want, they know that you're trying your best and they're okay with that.

    [00:11:51] Lisa Duez: You know? Yes. Yeah. Yes. At least I hope they think that. Yeah, I hope they think that, too. I mean, maybe they don't, but I hope they think that, too.

    [00:11:59] Whitney Owens: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay, so what do you think are the reasons we're not being more authentic?

    [00:12:05] Lisa Duez: Yeah, I think sometimes, like I was saying, I think there's, you know, it's safety, and there's safety in a box.

    [00:12:13] Lisa Duez: Um, if I cookie cutter myself the same way someone else is, Um, it, you know, I get the same results. Maybe I need to have the same results. Maybe I'm in an environment where the same results are all that's required. Maybe I shouldn't rock the boat. Um, you know, I could get in. There's, there's so many reasons why people just, have fear.

    [00:12:37] Lisa Duez: Um, sometimes it's our narrative that we've learned. It's, you know, our environment that we've grown up in. And I think that take comes over to our jobs. Of course, it comes over to everything. And I think sometimes people just You know, they want to feel that, or they need to think, or they need it, or they think they need to feel that power, you know, I'm the leader, I'm the person I'm in charge.

    [00:13:05] Lisa Duez: So, I think, do you lead from the top? Like. You know, from the top, like, if you look at an organizational chart and you're up here and everyone's down, or can we lead from the middle? Like, where we're in the middle, and our team is kind of surrounding us a little bit. Hmm.

    [00:13:21] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Yeah. I would love to hear you talk more about that.

    [00:13:24] Whitney Owens: How do I lead from the middle? Oh

    [00:13:26] Lisa Duez: gosh. I was like, how do I lead from the middle? I think you just, you, you are collaborative. How can we be collaborative? You know, can we, you know, be collaborative? Can I, um, be transparent with my team as much as transparency without giving them all of your problems? You know, Hey guys, yeah.

    [00:13:46] Lisa Duez: Transparency without making them solve problems for you. Cause we're not here to. You know, say you must solve this problem, or I need to I need to vent. We can't vent. We can bend to our peers that are leaders, but can't bend to our team happen so much. But but leading from the middle, I think, is the collaboration.

    [00:14:04] Lisa Duez: That communication goes both ways, not just down. Um, not just top down, you know, you do what I say, that authoritarian, you know, leader where we're kind of kind of more someone that's authoritative, you know, if you think about parenting, you know, authoritative, someone that's more like, um, I want to collaborate with you.

    [00:14:24] Lisa Duez: I'm here to teach you, but I'm also here to learn from you. So you're leading from the middle and that you're supporting someone.

    [00:14:31] Whitney Owens: I love that. Yeah. Well, I always think God's timing is interesting.

    [00:14:37] Lisa Duez: I am. I do too. I think he, I think he has a big sense of humor. Yeah, I actually

    [00:14:42] Whitney Owens: did this today with a team member that I was like, Hmm, do I want to say this or not?

    [00:14:48] Whitney Owens: How's this going to come across? Am I going to be. Putting my problems on someone. So I, I would say in the past, my self awareness probably wasn't at that point that I'd even think about all that. I would probably just, you know, like

    [00:15:00] Lisa Duez: I've been, I've been there. Yep.

    [00:15:02] Whitney Owens: Yeah. And I started thinking through all these things.

    [00:15:04] Whitney Owens: I was like, okay, it's okay. It's okay. And so I was able to approach it and say, here's what's going on. I don't need you to solve it. But I wanted to be authentic and let you know, because I've been putting up a show for a little while.

    [00:15:19] Lisa Duez: Perfect. And how did that make

    [00:15:22] Whitney Owens: you feel? Well, now that I'm saying it, I actually haven't processed it till right now because I went from meeting to meeting to meeting.

    [00:15:29] Whitney Owens: But now that I'm saying it, we're talking about it. I was like, oh, I think I did do the right thing there. Like, it actually worked and I got some extra support that I needed. And I did exactly what you just said. I said, I want to collaborate on this, like, you don't have to fix it, but I'd love your feedback on what you see and how we can support one another through the situation.

    [00:15:50] Whitney Owens: And it went really well, you know, and still,

    [00:15:54] Lisa Duez: yeah, I mean, yeah, I think so too.

    [00:15:58] Whitney Owens: So I appreciate you saying that, because I'm like, oh, well, here's an example. And it is really true about. How we collaborate. I think that word really resonated with me that you said it like that, because collaboration isn't needing one another necessarily.

    [00:16:11] Whitney Owens: It's helping each

    [00:16:12] Lisa Duez: other, helping each other, pulling each other up or bringing each other along. Yeah. Bringing each other along. We're doing this. We're doing this group practicing together. You know, we're, you know, you work here and I'm working with you. Um, and we're working together to help these people with their

    [00:16:28] Whitney Owens: therapy.

    [00:16:30] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Do you have any other, um, kind of challenges or difficulties you see within leadership? Yeah,

    [00:16:38] Lisa Duez: I think sometimes, um, you know, I was thinking about this and transparency gets a little hard sometimes, you know, leaders authenticity. I mean, the cousin is transparency, right? You have to be transparent to be authentic.

    [00:16:51] Lisa Duez: You have to show yourself. Right. And then the thing is when I always. Think about what I might have to tell a staff or what I might have to, like, you know, talk to people about maybe as a group or collectively or individually. I think about, you know, what do they need to know without burdening them? Um, you know, how transparent should I be?

    [00:17:14] Lisa Duez: Um, you know, what did they answer? What did they ask questions that I don't want to answer? Don't need to answer, you know, um, so that's a little bit of a gamble. I think. You know, that transparency aspect of it is kind of tough, you know, um, Can I get emotional in front of my team? Um, you know, should I be emotional?

    [00:17:38] Lisa Duez: You know, just all of those questions. And so when you said, I think I heard you say you took a step back. Um, and when you had to talk with that person today, you took a step back and that's what I find myself doing. You know, maybe I'm overthinking sometimes, but I think also I'm processing. You know, what is this supposed to look like?

    [00:17:56] Lisa Duez: How am I supposed to, um, how do I want this conversation to go? What are the important things that I need to say? Um, and how can I say it in a calm, respectful manner? Yeah.

    [00:18:07] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think, how do we remain transparent, but also remain the boss. I struggle with that too, like how much I don't want to share so much with my team and that could just be logistically.

    [00:18:22] Whitney Owens: It does not necessarily emotions, um, but make them feel like they all of a sudden are my co owner. Cause I think that happens, especially small practices where there aren't a lot of people that dynamic can come up. Yeah.

    [00:18:36] Lisa Duez: Yeah. And then, and that not burdening them to the fact where they're, they're now your support system because you need to have your own support system, um, that needs to be someone that's your peer.

    [00:18:49] Lisa Duez: Yeah, not your employee. Um, so I think it's about, um, understanding need to know, um, understanding. I always think about, you know, if I share this information with them, how will they feel about it? Will they become, will this burden them? Will they become, you know, will they, um. You know, will they worry will they worry about their position, you know, or is it just something that they need to know?

    [00:19:16] Lisa Duez: Because it affects that's the other thing. What how to what degree does it affect them and affect them? You know, maybe we don't need to be shared with the wider world. Maybe it just needs to be shared with the people that it does affect. And, you know, obviously you can go down the H. R. channel with that.

    [00:19:34] Lisa Duez: And we obviously don't share that kind of stuff, but. You know, general things about how things are going, I think it's okay. I recently. We had our staff, our staff meeting, we have, like, every February get together and so I shared with them for the 1st time about our revenue. Um, and it was really cool. I put the pie chart up.

    [00:19:56] Lisa Duez: And I shared where this went, where this went, what this was for all of it. And it was kind of cool because I, I hope what they got out of it was listen, I'm a good steward of this stuff. You know, I take care of this practice. You know, this, we go at this, this goes at not, not like bragging, like, Oh, the practice made this much money, but the practice made this much money.

    [00:20:16] Lisa Duez: And this is what happened to it. This is where it went. And so in, in that respect, I think a couple of people came and said, you know, that was really cool to understand. You know, how much, where it went, you know, the fact that we got to pay lights and, and, you know, all of the things that goes into running a business.

    [00:20:35] Lisa Duez: And then also we provided almost. 11, 000 sessions last year. So they, you know, seeing those big numbers being transparent with that. I was like, I don't know how it would go, but it went fine. They already know the practice does, you know, the practice is a big practice. You just need to understand the mechanics behind it.

    [00:20:53] Lisa Duez: And it went well. So transparency worked in that instance, but I've certainly been like, Oh, maybe I shouldn't have shared that. Um, sometimes. Yeah. That's a great example. That's going to happen.

    [00:21:06] Whitney Owens: Well, kudos for you for doing that. And that's such a great example. And I was thinking about that while you were sharing, like money is always a tough one, because I want to encourage my team to ask questions about money.

    [00:21:17] Whitney Owens: Cause they deserve to ask why they're making what they're making and what it entails and when raises come. And I want those conversations. I'd rather them happen with me than with anyone else, you know? Yeah, but it is, it is hard. Cause you, I even said this to someone the other day, one of my employees, actually, I was like, you know.

    [00:21:34] Whitney Owens: I wish I could give all of you as much as possible, like I would, or more than what I can give. Like, I want to give all you all the money, you know, because you're all so great. But the truth is, if I don't take care of this business. None of us are going to keep working. Right. So it's how much do you let them know the mechanics of that?

    [00:21:51] Whitney Owens: And then how much is it? This is what I take care of, but I really liked what you said. Is it something they need to know and how will they feel when they hear the information?

    [00:22:01] Lisa Duez: So it's kind of, I think in authenticity, there's a part of it of know your audience a little bit. Yeah.

    [00:22:08] Whitney Owens: Part of it.

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    [00:23:34] Whitney Owens: So you're writing a book, right?

    [00:23:36] Lisa Duez: I'm writing a book on leadership. Yeah. I am. Tell me about it. Oh, it's been kind of, um, I need to make my chapters bigger. That's what I've been told. Oh, you need to make your chapters bigger. I'm like, oh goodness. Um, it's a little bit of a, it's, it's a labor of love a little bit.

    [00:23:52] Lisa Duez: I, um, have been through about 20. I don't know, about 15 years of leadership and I've been led by a lot of people, um, good and bad. And then, you know, that decision way back when to open that practice back in 2018 and how to do it. Learned a few things along the way about how to do it. And an authenticity is a big part.

    [00:24:16] Lisa Duez: I actually wrote a framework and authenticity is a big part of that framework. There's some other components, um, that I'm working through, um, how to lead or self problems, how to leaders, you know, manage emotions and how to leaders, you know, execute, you know, so there's the internal and the external part of leadership.

    [00:24:33] Lisa Duez: You know, who are you as a leader? You know, can you be authentic, authentic, and then also how does that authenticity authenticity show up. Um, so I'm hoping that it will be, um, something that's worth reading, you know, it's kind of cool. He's a lot of stories. I have a lot of, um, a lot of memorable leaders that, and not even in the mental health field.

    [00:24:54] Lisa Duez: I've been blessed, um, to, to work with like a Marine colonel. And when I was waitressing, I worked with a woman that was just a fantastic leader. Um, I didn't know it at the time. I didn't

    [00:25:07] Lisa Duez: like her. Um, because she was hard, um, but the lessons I've learned from her and the lessons I've learned from him and, um, then they know the lessons I've learned myself and then bringing that into, um, like a framework that I can hopefully help others because I, I just believe leadership is, is you are responsible for your culture and, you know, leadership is so important because, you know, when you work in a place where there's bad leadership, the culture suffers.

    [00:25:37] Lisa Duez: Um, and so I want to have a healthy place, a healthy culture, um, and so I know it starts with me.

    [00:25:44] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Hmm. That's so important. I actually, uh, realized that a few years ago and got some coaching specifically on leadership and it was pretty game changer for me in the practice.

    [00:25:55] Lisa Duez: Yeah. I've definitely had some coaching and it's been super helpful.

    [00:25:59] Lisa Duez: Yeah. Yeah. Cause you don't know what you don't know. Definitely.

    [00:26:03] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're putting the book out in the world. I know it's a labor of love. Keep it up.

    [00:26:09] Lisa Duez: Yeah, it'll be out there next year sometime.

    [00:26:12] Whitney Owens: Great. Great. Okay. And then let's talk about some of the fun stuff you're doing. So if somebody's listening and they're just wanting some business coaching from you, what's the best thing for them to do the best

    [00:26:21] Lisa Duez: thing for that?

    [00:26:22] Lisa Duez: I'm going through a little rebranding of my website, but the best thing to do is just get me through, um, through Facebook, Lisa, do we L L I S a D U E Z or, um, You know, uh, you could do a turning point, the turning point, um, Virginia turning point va. com. I'll have kind of, as I'm writing the book, I pulled things back and, you know, I'm just trying to open it up into the world and one, um, instance, but the other fun thing we're doing is having a conference in Virginia beach.

    [00:26:51] Lisa Duez: So yeah, we live right in Virginia beach. There's a beach right there. Um, it starts to get warm in, um, April, um, we found this, uh, you know, I had this, I have to tell you just a little bit about it. So I had, um, cause it's definitely a God thing. So I'm going to tell you. Yes. Um, I had, um, Kind of a thought back in 2022 to, um, Oh, I want to have a conference.

    [00:27:18] Lisa Duez: I want to have a conference. And, you know, it just back and forth. And I've even had thoughts before then. And so I approached my clinical director and I was like, had this crazy idea about having a conference. And, and, you know, he's kind of the opposite of me. I'm the big thinker. He's a little bit more of a measured person and, and he's like, let's do it.

    [00:27:35] Lisa Duez: And I'm like, okay, we're doing this thing. So after that We got just just things just started falling into place. We got hotels, easy, you know, easy access to all of the hotels and all the things that we needed speakers and, you know, super sponsors that are coming in for us. And so this conference is happening in April, 18th and 19th in Virginia Beach at the Hilton Garden Inn.

    [00:27:59] Lisa Duez: And it's called the Clinician Connection Conference. And so it's for kind of for clinicians by clinicians. Um, it's obviously things to, um, things to help you inside the therapy room. And then obviously the, also the whole life outside the therapy room. How do you thrive? How do we be healthy? How do you help yourself?

    [00:28:17] Lisa Duez: Um, and so, yeah, it's, it's coming. That's great. And so go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say six weeks. It's coming.

    [00:28:26] Whitney Owens: Oh yeah, definitely. So is this for business owners or for any therapist or who's like the ideal

    [00:28:33] Lisa Duez: participant? I think it's for it. There's not, there's not a lot of business owner, um, things at this point, you know, although we have a lot of business owners coming, um, it's more for the clinical part of it.

    [00:28:46] Lisa Duez: Um, there's not a lot of entrepreneurial things this year. I think next year, I think what we're going to do is have a survey and see what people want to do. Um, I'm that collaborative person. So obviously we want to collaborate on the conference with people and find out what, you know, what's needed out there, what's, what people really want to hear about, so, um, I think when we do that, we'll have that place, but there's not a lot of entrepreneurial stuff this year, although I think you can take, um, some of the stuff and make it, um, You know, entrepreneurs always need a little, um, we always need those pump ups.

    [00:29:19] Lisa Duez: We always need those, um, that extra is somebody to tell us something this way or this way that the things that click because our minds just go, go, go. And so there's speakers that help with that. That's

    [00:29:30] Whitney Owens: great. And is there CE credits as well? Yeah,

    [00:29:33] Lisa Duez: there's NBCC and then we have ASWBCE credits also. So all the social workers and MFTs and LPCs, all of the people.

    [00:29:43] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Yes. That's awesome. Yeah, it sounds like it would be a great conference if you're especially if you're a group owner to take your team because everyone would benefit. Yeah,

    [00:29:54] Lisa Duez: yeah, yeah, we do have some group practice owners bring in their team. The other thing is, um, so we're offering discounts. Um, if there's a, you know, there's like three or more people.

    [00:30:02] Lisa Duez: So if you want to just get in touch with me, um, And I know you'll probably have it in the show notes. I'm happy to help you with

    [00:30:08] Whitney Owens: that. Awesome. Yeah. It sounds great. Yeah, definitely. And then you have a special discount for wise practice listeners for the conference. Yeah,

    [00:30:19] Lisa Duez: I do. So wise practice, um, is for the, uh, for the listeners and it's 25 off and, um, you know, we just would love you to come and see, I think we're going to have a very, very good event.

    [00:30:32] Lisa Duez: Um, and the beach is just right there. Um, I can't stress that enough. The beach is so calming. I just love to be there. Yeah.

    [00:30:41] Whitney Owens: Yeah, I think it's so great. I do think there's something about you're filling your mind all day. You're working hard. And then in the evening, you're sitting by the ocean or I love running on the beach in the mornings.

    [00:30:51] Whitney Owens: Yeah, I agree. The

    [00:30:53] Lisa Duez: beach is like a happy place. Yeah, we have a little unique thing. We have a comedy show. On Saturday night, or I'm sorry, when did I say Saturday night on Thursday night, um, there's a person that we know up here in Virginia, that's a social worker and a comedian. So he will be doing some comedy, like some mental health, uh, related comedies and it should be really fun.

    [00:31:16] Whitney Owens: Hmm. That sounds like a lot of fun. Well, I'm excited for you. And so anyone listening, interested in getting some continuing education, learning from the therapist, make sure that you check it out on what's the, where do they go to get their tickets.

    [00:31:29] Lisa Duez: Um, you can go to clinician connection.net. Great. Take

    [00:31:33] Whitney Owens: it.

    [00:31:34] Whitney Owens: Awesome. Yeah. Especially if you live near Virginia. Mike, come on. Yeah.

    [00:31:38] Lisa Duez: Come on. Come on. That's right. Carolina, Georgia. Come on.

    [00:31:42] Whitney Owens: That's right. Did I miss anything? Um, anything else we want to touch base

    [00:31:45] Lisa Duez: on? I don't think so. I really appreciate you having me. I love to talk about leadership. I can talk about leadership all day.

    [00:31:51] Lisa Duez: So anytime I get to do that, I really appreciate it.

    [00:31:54] Whitney Owens: You

    [00:31:54] Lisa Duez: could write a book about it. I think I could.

    [00:31:58] Whitney Owens: Well, I appreciate you taking the time to be on the show today. Really enjoyed being with you and providing great content for faith based practice owners.

    [00:32:05] Lisa Duez: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.

    [00:32:28] Whitney Owens: Special thanks to Marty Altman for the music in this podcast. The Wise Practice Podcast is part of the Sitecraft Podcast Network, a collaboration of independent podcasters focused on helping people live more meaningful and productive lives. To learn more about the other amazing podcasts in the network, head on over to sitecraftnetwork.

    [00:32:48] Whitney Owens: com. The Wise Practice Podcast represents the opinions of Whitney Owens and her guests. This podcast is for educational purposes only, and the content should not be taken as legal advice. If you have legal questions, please consult an attorney.



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